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all artists were ameteurs once

Sun Feb 22, 2009, 4:18 PM


It seems like a lot of people who trace anime seem to be linking to this journal as some sort of validation for tracing.

I created this journal back when I was the Moderator for Dolls to clarify deviantART's stance on the matter of tracing.

The legal matter of tracing is that it is derivative works and it is only illegal if the original creator of the artwork or artworks has a policy that states "no derivative works" or the copyright holder actually complains about the work itself. Then deviantART will do all in it's power to remove the trace.

Otherwise the derivative work, while highly unoriginal and exceedingly lazy, is indeed ok.

What is not ok is bullying or harassment of people who choose to trace. I don't agree with tracing, and if you've been linked to this journal and are as red as a raving bull right now I'm assuming you don't either but that does not excuse you for shouting and screaming at the person who created the traced artwork. I know you think it's wrong but it's also wrong to make people feel 2 inches tall for something that is technically allowed.

Many of the people who trace do so because they either don't know any better, or because they have no confidence in their own ability to draw and so in their eyes tracing creates a usable product that looks better than anything they draw ever could. Anime bases get people popularity because they are so widely used amoung the anime fan culture as a quick and easy solution to alright looking anime art. This validates the existance of often low self esteem teenagers who are bullied and picked on in school. Don't bully and pick on them online too.

You have several options.

Look up the original drawing, find out about any policys the artist has, and send an email to the artist notifying them of the trace. If the artist is concerned they will deal with it themselves.

Roll your eyes and move on. Or better yet, put your obviously superior knowledge and skills into good use and create better anime bases so that the people who enjoy to use these resources (the same as people create photomanips from stock) have some non traced resources to work from.

Talk to the tracer like a human being, give them tips and self confidence that their own art is always better, more respected and infinately less lazy.

Shout at them anyway, and be potentially reported for harassment.

Also, please remember not all basemakers trace. I hate being told that as a doller and a basemaker I am obviously a tracer WAIT no not your type of dolls sorry. Think before you bash.

Erato by SteamFish Girl Base by CandyLizzard Coquette - Medium-large base by RustChic Base: Sienna by Sariyu p34c3 mini by msdeerborn


To the tracers

I know it's nice and all that you've chosen me as your champion of tracing, but perhaps you ought to have a serious think about why you trace. If you're really into anime art, and really respet and love the anime's or artworks you trace from, isn't it better to leave them in their original format. I know I much prefer to see my favourite characters in all their glory than as a jagged edged pixel trace.

Also if you really love the CG art but are stuck with mspaint check out GIMP it's a 100% Free piece of software which allows you to do many of the things photoshop does. I use gimp for my works, you can too :D

I'm ALWAYS open to help and critique young artists, if you're unsure or unconfident about your artwork you can always drop me a note and I'll never laugh or ridicule you. I just want you to get better at what it is that you love. Tracing might be a nice solution but you'll never get any better if you always rely on someone else to do the drawing for you. I can assure you all artists were ameteurs once.

Here are some tutorials that might be useful to you

How to make a giant anime base by FionaCreates Pixel-Digital doll basemaking by FionaCreates Anime and Manga with The GIMP by tgfcoder
Anime Tutorial 1 by JM-anime :thumb106197655: Figure Drawing Tutorial by StudioQube
Big Guide to Drawing the Body by Majnouna  preparatory work - female body by Chaosdiva Structuring a drawing by gurukitty  Quick face tutorial by Exemi

And if at the end of all that you still want to trace? Well I can't stop you, nor do I really care. Get off my journal and go trace something else because I can obviously do you no good except provide a little shield between you and people who don't like you. Thanks for turning an artist into a shield. Just what I always wanted in life.


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dieliala Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sadly, a lot of the ranting comes from when a base manages to get a DD/Make the front page and they blame the person who made the base and seem to gang up on them.

I mean common... It isn't the fault of the person who made the base that it managed to get to the front page due to everyone favoriting it for whatever reason.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional General Artist
Are we talking traced or original or all bases? Because nothing traced gets a DD if it can be helped.
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dieliala Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Speaking in general really. Although, I've seen it happen mostly with traced bases.

People would rant about how someone deserves it more than a tracer, talk about are thief and cause the tracer of that etc. etc. and can get pretty brutal... Or they would comment things like facepalm emotes, etc. I mean, I can understand people being disappointed that a traced base/something traced got a DD/Front page but if you have a problem with it - you have to take it up with the admins... not the deviant.
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Coming from someone who had their art turned into base lineart without permission . . . it's infuriating to see people do that to your work - even if they link back to the original. To see your art in someone else's gallery with others faving it is not okay.

Tracers . . . ask permission before you use people's art. Every good artist was at your level at some point and they didn't resort to that. Leave tracing in your private art at home and don't post it online.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Professional General Artist
Oh I completely agree. I also think anyone who has had work traced without permission has right for it to be removed as is legal. If you choose to trace what is not yours to trace you run that risk of being 'done' for copyright infringement.

Same risk that someone somewhere is calling you lazy. You can't get mad when it's the truth.

I just wish people would stop the base hate as a whole and leave it to tracing not the original creators.
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, I don't think it even seems worth all the hassle to go through to post traced work.
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AnimeFreakCA Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I can draw really well with a PENCIL but, belive me I try and try, I SUCK AT DRAWING ON THE F***ING COMPUTER DX
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maya987 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
Me too!!!
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Professional General Artist
Uh... Congratulations?
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AnimeFreakCA Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
........sorry about my randomness XD
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Professional General Artist
I always draw by hand and scan.
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AnimeFreakCA Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
unfotunetly I dont have a scanner
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Professional General Artist
For digital purposes you can also photograph drawings and trace them, even a phone of webcam shot will do for this method.

Don't stop at life's limitations if you really want it, find a way round it. And if you don't want it, don't complain.
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AnimeFreakCA Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
I dont know how to reply to that statment :3
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ZeitgeistDragon Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012   Traditional Artist
I personally only have an issue with tracing if ppl do it without the original artists permission. Otherwise, i could care less. And when ppl don't give proper credit.
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1dobie1234 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2012
Even though I don't trace or make any bases your right people have no right to yell at others for tracing a base.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2012  Professional General Artist
the issue with tracing is usually popularity and self esteem. "I can't draw so I trace" Is usually the one, and people make bases because bases get attention and so makes the younger artists feel validated as artists when perhaps their original work with ameteur and newbie anatomy mistakes and issues is overlooked.

Usually one of two things happen as these young artists age, one, they get bored and never make art again and two, they get bored of the limitations of tracing and end up learning to draw anyway. It's only in rare cases people keep tracing and tracing.
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ElectricCupcakes Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
"I can't draw so I trace"
This is sometimes half true.
In a case such as mine. I draw DECENTLY. I can't really draw proportionally, but i'll draw okay. I draw really cool weapons too.
And other then the fact I copy down a base's pose onto paper so it doesn't really count as tracing on my part, but I still say it kinda is.
I trace so I can have things to hang on my wall. Because when I trace, I'd like to see something kinda neat, not the poop I draw on my own. ((If you saw some of the notrace on my dA you'd agree it's pretty poop.)) But when I'm at school or something, ofcourse i'll draw on my own. It's pretty bad though, alot more when your forget what something/one looks like too.
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Sahnie Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
though I would recommend to use actual stock photos as references and not bases. it's always better to use the original anatomy, meaning the human body, than an stylized base, and stylize it later. just then you will get in anatomy. Senshistock has a lots of poses for drawing purposes, meaning she just wears a jumpsuit and not a dress or something like that.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
Everyone was 'poop' and the only way to get not 'poop' is by drawing and drawing and just enjoying the process, instead of beating yourself up because you can't do what other people who have been drawing 10, 20 years longer are doing. If you really want to draw, learn, and push yourself, instead of just going "weellll I'm crap so I just give up" because then you'll always be crap.
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ElectricCupcakes Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I never give up on drawing though. Most of them I just don't upload because I don't want backlash from other fans. Of course, it takes a long time to do like, portraits of people like Mona Lisa and it takes ALOT of practice in training, but everyone can get there one day.
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nekoFLASHstudios Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for posting this. Although I haven't had to deal with any trolls (yet), I've read a lot of the rage comments on other folk's bases. I've seen several not just against traced bases, but calling even original basers enablers; basically, they encourage bad art. I'll admit, a good base edit is sometimes hard to find, but everyone has to start somewhere. The people who use only bases will eventually feel comfortable enough to make their own digital art at one point or another. I used them to train myself to use Windows7 Paint, and even though I'm totally comfortable with the program now, I still us bases once in a while as reference, inspiration, or just simply brushing up on my Paint skills with one. There are some amazing pixel artists out there. You'll never be one unless you train.

Anyhoo, basers are not a problem worth wasting one's breath about. You got something agains it? Good for you. But that rage could be put to better use, y'know? For minor issues like bases, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.

As for traced bases, I'm a basemaker myself (keep me on another account) and although I only have 3 traced ones up, I've decided to make the switch to making them from scratch, mostly with original poses. If I like a pose from something else, I'll use it as ref, but put my own spin on it. Stock poses have become my best friends for both basing and my art in general. I want my bases to be more of a training tools that require some degree of original effort. Like, not including faces (still gonna put center/eye level lines), unnatural skin tones so the user has to come up with their own palette, etc. Not only that, it's a great excuse for me to work on anatomy!! And as far as rules go, I'd rather be safe than sorry. So no more traced bases for me XD

....I ranted :iconpokerfaceguyplz:
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nekoFLASHstudios Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*ignore the sad icon. Wrote all this on my screwy iPad keyboard :|*
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midsneypixels Featured By Owner May 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
my sister claims that because I use bases in my dolling I'm near as abad as the tracers.
*glances at doll with completely redone arms and face*
pssshhh, I'm such a thief. not to mention that if the scanner was set up to my computer, I'd do a lot more baseless stuff, because I wouldn't be begging my mom to let me use the scanner for my sketches.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner May 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
so long as you credit and aren't just stealing left right and centre there's nothing wrong with it.

Talent wise? You're always better drawing your own bases, you'll learn to draw better and you'll become a better artist. But if like may dollers all you're interested in is drawing pretty clothes and hair and just having fun then there's nothing wrong with not learning to draw humans.
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midsneypixels Featured By Owner May 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XD
the problem is, I CAN Draw humanms, but for some reason only on paper. tell me to draw a human with my tablet, I can't do it. I've got this gianormous stack of sketches waiting for whenever my mom decides she'll scan them.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner May 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
that's what practice is for. :P Also if you draw them bigger and then shrink it to pixel over it they magically lose some of the imperfections :P
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midsneypixels Featured By Owner May 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't think of that. Right now it's so BLOODY HOT where I am, but it's not hot enough to turn on the AC that I spend most of my time when I'm not eating or sleeping in my studio in my basement.
...and my computer's up in the living room, XD. Wouldn't be so bad if it was a laptop, but it's a ginormous tower.
I'm actually stitching together sketches on to one piece of paper so I don't have to scan as many.
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Espeo9023 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You make a lot of good points, but one thing is that you can't really get permission from the anime makers.
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narutardgrl86 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
I feel as long as they put in the description that they do not own the anime or whatever artwork it's from, it's alright. it would be better, yes, if the anime creators saw the work and approved it personally but unless three million people spammed the artists' emails with the base asking for permission, I don't see that happening.
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Espeo9023 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah. That's the same way I feel.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
So because youu can't get permission does that mean you should be free to go "ahh well" and use it anyway? Its still copyright infringement. It's a moral integrity thing as much as a "they'll never catch me so it doesn't matter" thing.
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Espeo9023 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconfacehoofplz: I was just saying it's almost impossible to get them to even respond.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
of course, because in the end they don't care unless you're making money off of their work.

Which is why it's more a moral thing. You can trace and trace and trace and tbh other than people going a bit apeshit about it now and then no one really cares, but if you really respect yourself, and respect and really love the anime you're tracing, then you'll learn to draw and probably enjoy it a lot more, as opposed to just tracing it for the kudos of people telling you how awesome you are, or how many favs you get because it's from OMG NARUTO or other such things.

By all means trace if all you're interested in is a pat on the back from the people who use the bases, but if you're really interested in art and anime just skip the tracing and learn to draw. Harder? Yes. More satisfying? Definately.
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Espeo9023 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand that.

I already can draw and I'm getting better with a style I found but when I want to draw anime or certain pokemon I trace or use a base, or for fun.

I wanted to learn how to draw realistically but it didn't work out, so I tried anime again and well..... It just sucks. :iconwthewwplz:
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
You have to stop thinking about it in terms of sucking or not sucking.

You just draw because you want to, as opposed to impressing the people online, or proving your awesome. You should just have fun and if the anatomy is off, who cares? you had fun. Just try better next time.

If you don't have fun I can assure you you'll always hate what you make because there's no satisfaction in it.

A good way to learn for fun is to eyeball your favourite images. Just copy them as you see them. Try to 'get inside the artist's head' and draw it like they would. I do this a lot, I just don't share it because it's not really my idea, ie my drawing, even if I made all the marks. But I had fun making them so it doesn't matter. I drew one of Mucha's sketchs the other day and it was so fun because usually I don't draw things quite so delicate.
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Espeo9023 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
When it comes to drawing I usually don't think about something sucking, just that it needs more work, but with my anime I can get the eyes right and sometimes the head and torso but that's it :/ The legs and fingers are the hardest body parts for me.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
Well with anime other than some exageration the proportions are realistic. So doing actual life studies or using yorself as a model. I'm forever using my own hands and a mirror to get my drawing right. The more reference the better.
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Evilness321 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012
You make some really good points here. While I use bases for pose references because my sense of depth perception often sucks without references, once in a while I WILL outright use a base in its original form (I guess you could call that tracing?) To get a specific effect that I want. Heck, I have a whole gallery of favorites just for bases for when I need a reference without all the distractions of the original image. But I almost always try to remember to credit the original base so others can use it if they want. I think that's one of the keys there, for some people, is not crediting where it's deserved, etc.

I appreciate your article, though I don't plan on using it as a shield ;)
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi! I trace, but not that much, really. Really, its only of bases, and those I dont even trace half the time! I look at the base for a guide, and then I draw it myself! All clothing and that stuff is my own idea, or from photo references. I dont care if Im not all that good at drawing, I still love it. And I dont care if my friend thinks my drawing of a cat is a bear, its still a cat! (Really, she did. And it looked nothing like a bear!) And I dont care if my friends think they're bad at drawing, I still encourage them! Even if I dont like the drawings myself! Sorry friends! I have this friend who is a total Party pooper(Yea the bear one),, and I show my stories to her and my books to her and ask for her criticsm(Even if she is rather jerky in her comments). So though I have no idea what I just ranted on about, I really don't care. I agree that we all are amatuers at one point (WHich is totally me), and trscing isnt a crime. But My idea of how to become better:
Trace entire drawings
Trace and use bases WIth tutorials
Use bases as a reference
Use tutorials
Draw by yourself

If you really know absolutely NOTHING about drawign then tracing is an absolutely fine way to start. Just keep moving on!

(Longest comment in the history of comments)
(ANd I'm Making it longer)
(Sorry about bad typing, I was writing this quickly!)
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
I personally have never ever traced, even when I was 'bad' when I was much younger. However I think this is an effect of the internet. When you're constantly surrounded (as on dA) with art that's 'better' or has more favs or such you're constantly going "oh I must be shit, how do I get better fast"

I just loved to draw, and tracing is a process that's just not creative enough for me. You have to find the pic you need before you even start work, as opposed to just drawing and seeing where that takes you. I would much rather new artists just drew and forgot about whether their work was as good as someone elses. You're always the best at what you do, no one can beat you at that, but countering that you can't beat someone else at what they do best. Remember a lot of the artists on dA have been drawing seriously for a long time, I personally have over 15 years of figure drawing under my belt, you don't just get skill in a day, tracing or not.

As for your friend, no one can tell you what to do, or judge you, but you also have to think, "what about this drawing makes my friend think it's a bear?" Is the head the wrong size for the torso, are the ears too rounded, or the nose too long? It doesn't change your intentions, that you mean it to be a cat but the viewer perception does mean that perhaps it's a little bear like too.
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
she can be a not super nice person, and today she said she hated my totally awesome santa shirt just because she doesnt believe in him. I just said "Hmph!" and turned away. Plus when we were younger she got mad at me because i didnt sing You Raise Me Up In the right range, but she sang it in the same range as me.And really, I dont trace, I might use bases as a reference, and I might trace them to get a feel for how to draw them, but I cant get the lines right half the time. Yay! At the time, I was obsessing over this person who draws cats, animates them, and voices them, and I wanted to draw one. So what really annoyed me was the fact that she insulted something I had been working on for a while, and that I figured out how to draw by just watching it. So she insults almost EVERYTHING I do. It was a cartoonish cat, with a huge tuft of hair. She thinks she has the right to insult me and expects me to just lie down at her feet. I dont even know why I still hang out with her...

Oh yeah! Its cuz my friends tell me to! And because I used to be forgiving in the past, and now she expects me to forgive her EVERY SINGLE TIME SHE DOES SOMETHING WRONG! oh, and she insulted me about that, too. And does she have ANY fashion sense? no. Does she draw pictures that creep me out? yes. The only picture of mine that creeps me out is Frito the magical unicorn. My one friend and I were joking around about unicorns who live in our backyards, and Frito lives in mine, and hes STALKING ME!(Sorry about that, but we are weird like that) She doesnt porpotion anything, and the hands are miniature, and the bodies(Or torsos) are freakishly thin, and they all wear bell bottom jeans, and they have the creepiest eyes EVER! And does she pester me about believing in Santa and unicorns? Yes. SHe told me that her parents told her santas not real, and i still believe, and my mom thought quickly and showed me that yes virginia, there is a santa claus article, and saved my christmas. And does she write about normal stuff? no. I have an interesting mind that finds it hard to concentrate on school, and wanders off to my imaginary world thats in my book. I cant stand school cuz i know all the stuff we learn about cuz im in gs, and i am ahead of everyone in my trumpet class cuz of my private lessons. I know EVERY SINGLE NOTE! I just cant help wandering off to the world of th book im reading, or the book im writing. ANd then I get called on and the whole class thinks im dumb cuz the wrong answer slips out of my mouth(Ihave horrible stage fright, and with her insulting every little thing i do, it just makes it worse.). Like There was a question during trumpet 'What changes here' (The answer was Time signauture) And I said key signauture! And I didnt make it in show choir or jazz band (The audition only groups for my school, not including handbells), So I was so sad, especially about Jazz band, especially cuz i made a high g, which is hard on trumpet(I can play the highest note, high a) ANd I just think "This is easy!" Singing, writing, and drawing are my three favorite things to do, and she even ruins that! SHe suggests that I make my main character a brat who thinks shes better than everyone else in my book, doesnt let me sing songs from my favorite musical on the bus to show her how cool it is(She calls it the cursed musical), and insults me because of I like japanese anime. Oh, and I dont use bases with clothing, I use the ones in the really tight body suits. No, I need to draw my own clothing. And My first drawing didnt even use a base! I was so happy and proud! And when I bring it into school, what does she do? She insults it. But anyway, in my opinion, tracing is a good way to get yourself accustomed to a type of art.

(Sorry for ranting on and on about my art work)
(And for bad grammar)
(And the longest comment in the world)
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
Um, why are you still friends with this girl?

Also don't let her get to you. It obviously does which is probably why she's doing it.

If you're singing in the 'wrong range' tell her you intended to sing in that range so thank you for noticing :D If she say's your drawing looks like a mangy fox say "thanks! I was drawing a mangy fox." Who cares what she says about your work anyway, you obviously do when you shouldn't. It sounds cliche but she's probably jealous of your motivation to do things that she either doesn't want to do but sees you get noticed for, or wishes she could do, so the best thing for her ego is to bring you down, which tbh is not something a friend does, so I'd have ditched her a long time ago.
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks.Its just for my other friends. Who I happen to enjoy.Y Its hard to maintain a friendship with two people who are fighting(As I've learned from past experiences with them). I just dont want to put them through that. Plus, for the singy thing, we were in FOURTH GRADE! Really, our voices werent developed! And I am most definetly a mezzo-soprano. my mom is a contralto or in that range, but I cant sing Super high or super low. But she really needs to learn when to shut up. I tell her I like her outfits even if I dont like them. I am an extremly nice person who would never come near saying I hate you. Sorry if im being a big egoist here, but really, if you ask any of my friends, the will say that. She will say 'too nice'. There is no uch thing as too nice! But, I can be mean(I think). I can find things to hold against people. I will threaten people. Like for instance, my one friend who hates all my other friends called this other friend "An evil *Female dog*" Except using the actual word. But, I can tell her I will tell her boyfriend about her 'little crush' on this guy from my youth group. So, with the I hate your shirt thing, I could probably threaten her with it if her insults get out of control. I dont even think shes said anything nice to me, ever...
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
just agree with whatever she says, turn it into a game if you're 'stuck' between friends.

If she says she hates your shirt go "oh me too it's just the only thing I had today" (even if it's your favourite) or such, she'll soon give up if she's not getting to you.
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks! I'll try that, and This should really be put into some kind of bullying lesson, not like the kind that they usually have. Its like "Oh and you shouldnt do this okay the end!" Its really annoying.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Professional General Artist
The real anti bullying lesson is just carry on regaurdless. If you fight back, they win because you're angry, if you get upset they win because you're upset. Just smile and carry on. No reaction is the best. "Thank you for your input" is a good phrase to know too, vague but not just ignoring the person. XD

Also perhaps try to show your drawings when she's not there, because to me it sounds like she's jealous perhaps of your other friends attention, so to make her feel less excluded you could simply show your other friends at another time :D
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
he he, I looked at none of the comments before now! Yay!
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Manami-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
And You make a good point.
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PrincessElaina Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
You really made a good point here, and yes I like more drawing than using bases but I remember when I started drawing I got in my head people like the most digital drawings (which I think its true) and not too much sketches, and artists like me that don't have tablets or Photoshop use Paint but with the time I learned I could color my drawings in paint using basing tutorials.
Also I know there are people like me that when they are bored they simply use bases what i mean that something I use bases just for fun but I never say that bases are my actual art.
And thanks for writing this :D
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